Mr. Tony Benn:部长意识到我们实际上讨论的并不是经济的管理问题,而是我们国家和欧洲未来关系的走向问题。英国人民在大选当中投票能够改变政府先前的投票结果吗?这已是一个事实,政府心里也很清楚,无论政府有着什么样的权利,我们的农业政策是掌控在布鲁塞尔手里,我们的贸易政策,工业政策也是如此。如果我们加入统一汇率机制,我们的金融政策也会被控制。这是一个共和的争辩,并不是一个国家的争辩。但是他们说这是部长,政府的一员使英国人在不知情的情况下加入了欧盟,那么也可以在英国人不知情的情况下加入统一的货币机制。我们觉得很难去相信她真正的目的保留共和而不是在大选前夕从一些国家辩论中获得更多的政治优势。这也是为什么我们不相信她在这件事上将会做出合理决断的原因。
Mr Speaker, I think that I would put it just a little bit differently from the right honorable Gentleman, although I recognise some of the force of some of the points that he is making. I think when the Delors proposals for EMU came out, the economic and monetary union, it was said immediately by my right hon. Friend, the then Chancellor of the Exchequer that this was not really about monetary policy at all. It is really about a back door to a federal Europe, a federal Europe taking many many democratic powers away from democratically elected bodies to non-elected ones. I believe fervently that that is true, which is why I will have nothing to do with their definition of economic and monetary union.
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