Edited excerpts of the conversation follow.

下面是这次采访的摘要：

Fortune: Why study flow?

《财富》：你为什么要研究心流？

Steven Kotler: When I was 30 years old I got very, very sick. I spent three years in bed. The doctors didn't know what was wrong with me. It was surfing and flow states that brought me back to health.

史蒂芬•科特勒：30岁时，我得了一场重病，卧床3年。医生们不知道我究竟是哪里出了问题。正是冲浪和心流状态让我恢复了健康。

I thought I was losing my mind because I kept having these quasi-mystical experiences out in the waves, and I was a science writer, and I don't have quasi-mystical experiences. In the beginning I thought, What the hell is going on with me? What I learned later is that the neurochemical experiences produced during flow all boost the immune system and reset the nervous system, which is why it helped with an autoimmune condition, and which explained my otherworldly sensations.

我原以为我精神错乱了，因为我在冲浪时不停地产生这些准神秘色彩的体验。我是一位科普作家，以前从来没有过这种感受。开始的时候，我一直在想，我到底是怎么回事啊？我后来才知道，心流过程产生的神经化学物质可以促进免疫系统，重置神经系统。这就是它为什么有助于形成一种自身免疫性状态，也是让我产生超凡脱俗之感的原因所在。

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